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Post by Bella on Aug 4, 2008 13:40:27 GMT -5
I'm having so many mixed emotions about Breaking Dawn. I want to calm that it is my favorite book at of all four books, but I might have to say its my least favorite. It was still good, but it was lacking something the other books had. With the others you had a fear of Victoria and James, coming to ruin everything. This you had nothing, or at least nothing till about half way through the book. Than you found out the Volturi was coming, and I was so happy! There was going to be a fight, and the Volturi was going to get their butts kicked. That didn't happen, they ran away! That was the last thing I thought was going to happen! Plus, there was too much 'I love you', 'darling', 'love' crap for me. Edward said 'love' 10 times on one page, I don't remember him doing that before. The 'Jacob book' I felt like more of how Stephenie use to write, if felt more like Twilight to me.
And than there was Bella. I couldn't believe she was pregnant and had a kid, with Edward! And the baby was really advance. It all seemed more like a sci-fi to me than a Twilight book. And through out her being pregnant, Edward was such there. He didn't have any depth to him like he was before hand.
But I do admit, Alice leaving, that freaked me out. I thought she was gone forever, and she wasn't coming back. It was the best part of the book in my opinion, you did not know what was going on! But I think once she started sending other vampires to help, I knew she was coming back. Which was another thing that surprised me, all the vampires that came to help! I did like learning more about them and the Volturi, she finally explain more about the outside world.
I'm hoping that if I read it once again (third time is the charm, right?) that I'll start to like it more. But so far, it was nothing that I expected, everything was too 'out there' for me. So I'm going to end here, I'll add more when I think of more too add.
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Post by rainbowlustx on Aug 4, 2008 14:14:05 GMT -5
I think most people just need to realize why it couldnt be as violent as the others. Her publishers and editors told her that she had to dull it down. I personally liked it. And edward was really dull while she was pregnant because he blamed himself. It was nearly the same as he had been when he was going to kill himself. He didnt want her to die and knew that she probably would have. I think if you look more into it, Steph simply just matured all the characters, especially Bella. At first i wished they would have just killed the kid, but once Edward could read its thoughts i loved it... It was a great twist... Personally i did love the book. My least favourite was twilight. Just because it was REALLY slow in the beginning. Nearly half the book. But. I understand because it WAS the first one to the series AND her first published book. But she didnt want to end her story. She HAD to end it so she simply crushed all of her visions of this story into one book. Not many people i've talked to have realized that she REALLY hated ending it.... And she HAD to leave out the violence.... I still loved it.
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Post by Bella on Aug 4, 2008 14:24:21 GMT -5
I knew she didn't want to end it, it would be tough for anybody to end their book like that. But sometimes it has to be done.
For the violence part, I guess I wanted something like she had with James. And since many of the people who know read the books are older (teenagers on up to eighty year olds), I thought she would have more of it in there. Not her fault, but I think that is what many wanted to see in it (or at least the ones I've talked to).
And I guess for the part of making the characters more mature, it didn't work for me. I guess it went to fast for me, you don't mature over night like she did. One minute Bella does NOT want kids, the next she would die if anything happened to her baby.
But Twilight will have to remain my favorite, I always pick the first book of any series as my favorite. To me, it was written better. She wasn't in a rush for a deadline when she wrote it.
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Post by rainbowlustx on Aug 4, 2008 19:25:05 GMT -5
Yeah... Im not sure. To me Twilight was a long read, it started out slow. But out of all the books she's written. My favourite IS the Host... I think that one's written the best... But as for the violence, i wanted it aswell but her editors and publishers didnt. They were even going to put an age restriction on it because they have readers as young as nine years old... Her series is my favourite period... I love all of her books. She really is a great writer. <3
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Post by Jess on Aug 5, 2008 12:21:53 GMT -5
I agree with you partially Bella, however I am kinda happy that things turned out so well. It was slightly disappointing that conflict was avoided, but I feel there were quite a few exciting twists and turns towards the end which compensated for the lack of action. I know many of the people I've talked to hoped for a happy ending, and this is exactly what we got. However, it was so different to what I ever could of imagined it, totally out of this world.
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Post by Bella on Aug 5, 2008 17:25:47 GMT -5
I guess what my problem was, I prepared for someone to die. All the references to other stories (such as Romeo and Juliet) the main characters died. So I was expecting it to end up like Harry Potter. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad no one died! I was really worried about Edward for the past couple months. So I was prepared for that unhappy ending, and I think others were too.
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Post by Jess on Aug 5, 2008 18:44:56 GMT -5
Yeah I see that side of it, I mean at one point you could see it happening, somone loosing their life. I guess it would of left me a bit down hearted if any of the main characrters had died, but the way every one survived was rather weird. However, Tanya's sister, Irina, had died but it wasn't someone i feel most readers connected to in any great way.
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Post by readergirl44 on Aug 6, 2008 22:16:35 GMT -5
I loved the book. Well the middle was a little slow for me but then again I just wanted Bella's point of view. I think that she rapped it up just a little to fast. I mean she left some clues that would lead to another story. It's not her fault. I just hate when a series ends. I could not believe that Bella was pregnant what a shock. I'm glad no one died because it just seems wrong to kill off a main character. I read some where that she had readers that were 8 years old so I'm glad it wasn't that violent. Even though I finished the book I still can't stop reading it, I think I'm to attached. I loved the book
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Post by spider on Aug 6, 2008 22:49:02 GMT -5
*gaspshock*
I am really still stunned at how...... GREAT the series came to an end. Even though I still want more, especially because of Nessie. But because good things happened. But its best factor, all the threads coming together, was also its worst quality. The story line was pushed and pumped full of so much stuff, she had to skim over a lot of other things that only go slight mentionings. (such as how she progressed as a newborn, two chapters she was a new born and the rest of the book just seemed like she was still human (besides the hunting and hearing...and the shield)
But all in all I absolutely loved it.
Okay, now the breakdown:
Edward did seem less....complicated as he did in the other books, less mysterious. But I think that is because he wasn't trying to hide anything--he didn't have anything to hide. So that element just wasn't present. Just as well, when Bella turned into a vampire she was even more able to read his face and his emotions, which also dampened the mystery that was Edward Cullen.
In Jacob;s book I absolutely adored that part. Him finally not getting the short and blood-covered end of the stick was an excellent conclusion, and I muchly enjoyed Jacob's joking but serious and thorough perspective on things. I loved him much, much, MUCH more than I did in the first three( I was ready to kill him when he kissed Bella-- I am strongly against cheating. >_<)
Emmett, being my favorite character, was once again a filler character, but I loved when he was actually apart of the story anyway. "It's about time someone actually scored. huh Bella?" lmao, lmao. I love his big brotherness towards Bella as well as his muscle-driven look at all situations and still remains humorous. I love that big guy!
Alice was once again the most mysterious and nervous-making character, but I absolutely, beyond a shadow of a doubt, believed she wasn't gone for could. She just couldn't! There was absolutely no possible flippin' way Stephenie would make Alice the 'bad guy' in the last book.
Rosalie.... eh. I know her perdicament, but during the book, I shared Jacob's love with her. She still annoys me. I just don't blend well with vanity. Me having no ego and all.>_>
Carlisle.... I loved him to death for him helping Bella through her pregancy. It was the best father-in-law thing he could ever do. I feel bad for him though because he wasn't present for the delivery. But for the same thing I am glad. Seeing her die torn open and broken in that way would be such a sad memory. And thankfully his age-ness and wide expanse of friends saved the day in the end. Quality verses quantity, but Stephenie also showed that strength does come in numbers. As well as wonderfully convenient shield's that block mental based powers. ^ ^
Mom. Esme. What a darlin'. I almost died of laughter when they made it to the Isle of Esme. It was just so...... I don't even know. Vampiry? A private island. har har.
All I can say for Charlie is poor him. Jacob getting naked and then turning into a wolf the size of a frikin' horse isn't something I could take standing up. Let alone stay conscious over. Kudos to him and his ability to completely ignore the 'shape-shifter' and the 'need to know' stuff about his daughter and by extention, Nessie and the rest of the Cullen's. It just couldn't put up with that.... okay maybe. But not in Charlie's position. It would just be too weird.
Now for Bella. I almost died of laughter on several occasions. Her dialogue was snappier and...well more humorous in this book and that was because she was happy. No fear (for the most part), only happyness, and all nighters with Edward. Who couldn't be happy after that? (just switch out Edward for my Josh and I would never not smile again.) I could not believe she was pregnant. It was so....like you(bella) said, it was so sci-fi. But for the sake of the rest of the book, it needed to happen. And I also could not express my relief, gratitude, and whatever else emotion that followed-- that Bella finally turned into a vampire. I was so scared that it wouldn't happen I had doubts about reading it.
And last but not least, the story line in all. I already expressed how happy I was that all the strings got tied up, but through most of the story, it seemed obvious that was going to happen so for the most part it took away the edge-of-your-seat thrill, which was sort of depressing. But that didn't stop me from worrying about Bella's well being, or Jacob's sanity--or Edward's for that matter. There was so much drama that I was feeling some anxiety. Especially during the pregnancy.
The only thing I am disappointed in was the run-in with the Volturi. It was too perfect how it worked out, even if it was drawn out (the actual meeting anyway). Too convenient. Like how Bella just suddenly realized how to protect everyone and held it perfectly under Jane and Alec's and that other lesser guard character's attacks? I'm sorry but no, not believable. And it also depressed me that there wasn't a fight scene and by extension any vampire losses. I know it would suck if anyone of the Cullen's died and it would have completely ruined the series completely, but still. There isn't a good ending if there isn't some kind of loss. But there wasn't. Well the respect of the Volturi is completey gone and they are all Doomed (sort of_ for the rest of their wonderful age-less lives--besides Nessie. Which . . . Renesme? Are you kidding me? That is like... the worst name in the world! I hate the idea of combining and dropping letters for someone's name. It is almost pathetic. And I sort have somewhere to talk. I am named after both of my grandmothers, Anna (my mother's mom) and Ruth (my dad's mom) Which ends me up with the full first name of Annaruth. And I hate it.
Back to the book-- sorry folks.
I really did enjoy it and I am glad everyone got what they asked for, but in doing so Stephenie ultimately went to far in Happily Ever After.
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Post by Jess on Aug 7, 2008 7:19:56 GMT -5
I was a bit dissappointed throughout the middle of the book, at times Jacobs point of view was a bit slow and drawn out. I think it would of blended well if there was a bit of Edwards p.o.v aswell. However I was sure glad when we got back to Bella and the way she see's things.
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Post by Bella on Aug 7, 2008 12:38:38 GMT -5
Jacob's book was my favorite, I was sad when it ended. It felt more like Stephenie's writing. I finally started to like Jacob again, maybe even more than Edward at points. I thought Edward was too....nothing. For part of the book that is all he did, I know he was worried about Bella, but it was annoying.
But I do feel that some people have been way to harsh about Breaking Dawn. I might not have liked it, but I didn't hate it like some. I've seen facebook groups that wished it was a joke, and asked when the real book is coming out. Others are looking for a book to read to erase Breaking Dawn from their minds.
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Post by spider on Aug 7, 2008 16:13:55 GMT -5
That is just plain rude. It was a good ending to a good series. It just different than other endings. Like Harry Potter for instance. There was a lot of suffering and that made the good all the more better.
But in Breaking Dawn there was.... almost none.
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Post by kkc813 on Aug 7, 2008 17:26:27 GMT -5
There were parts I loved and parts that I was not wild about.
I loved that they did get married and she ended up being very happy about it. I loved that they had a honeymoon. I loved that she did end up becoming a vampire! I loved to see her point of view as her body changed in so many ways after being turned. Her hearing...her looks...her sense of smell...etc... I loved that she got pregnant. I thought that was such a great twist...until the baby started to grow at an abnormal rate. Like someone said earlier...that was a little too sci-fi for my taste. Then the kid was born with teeth and could have clawed it's way out of her body? That was so odd to me. I loved that Bella seemed more mature.
As for Jacob's book...I wasn't sure I was going to like it. I have never been a Jacob fan, but I ended up enjoying it. I was hoping him and Leah were developing a love between them. Seemed natural to me. Brought together by a common bond, etc... Then he Imprinted on an infant? That was the strangest thing yet!! He used to be in love and fantasize about her mother. It just gave me the creeps! I understood Stephanie's motives when it got toward the end. Bella could trust Jacob to leave the baby with Jacob because she knew he'd love and care for her. But still... I will say though that at the end when they thought they were going to die and she handed Nessie over to Jacob and said her goodbyes and Edward said something to affect of "I love you my friend...my son" I totally teared up!!
I was a bit slow at times...especially right after the baby was born and Bella eased in to her new lifestyle. Then Alice left and the book picked back up. Don't get me wrong, I'm so glad it ended happily, but it all seemed a tad predicable at times.
It didn't have the mystery the other books had. Twilight was my favorite, New Moon my least favorite. All in all I enjoyed it. I'm so sad it's over though! Bella & Edward...one of the greatest love stories I've ever read.
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Post by kkc813 on Aug 7, 2008 19:24:13 GMT -5
Another thing I'd like to add... I felt as though the book was mostly about Bella and Renesme. There weren't very many father/daughter moments and that bothered me :-(
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Post by spider on Aug 7, 2008 21:53:57 GMT -5
yeah I also noticed that too. It hardly seemed like Edward hardly even cared for Nessie (like I said before I hate the name Renesme). Their bond didn't even seem to be touching, even at the end.
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